Fame puppies 2 weeks 2 days, taken this morning.

Paris puppies at 2 weeks 2 days old.

The puppies are doing great, getting fatter by the day. Everybody is up and moving. Not very gracefully but they are up. They have all learned how to bark and are starting to play.
Everyone should be getting pictures in just a few minutes.

Little Miss Kandi's first win at 11 months (Fame X OZ) taking WB, BOW.
Congratulations to Tim and Connie.

Fame babies and the little boy I am keeping. Taken at 13 days old.

The puppies are huge, fat little barking machines and we are having such a good time with them. The little Tommy Clone weighs 2lb 10oz at 12 days. He is a real monster.
We are leaving for the Buckhorn shows Thursday evening. Anyone who doesn't know your schedule call and we can get it figured out.
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Puppy pictures coming soon.

"I'm so sorry to see the club is making this a head breed. So many of our fine working dogs have disappeared because breed clubs put too much emphasis on one particular aspect of a dog.
This breed presentation has no consistency in type, structure or head. How are judges ever to know what is correct by taking this study?
I see a lot of cute pictures but what does that have to do with education, the drawings make it truly impossible to understand the head or the structure of this breed.
Why would a working breed of dog ever be allowed to have yellow eyes? In almost all pictures presented the animals have light or yellow eyes. You don't see this in any other working breed.
I would like to see what movement is supposed to look like in this breed. The pictures show everything from a dog that is overdone with a rolling topline to a dog with no type and substance with incorrect reach and drive.
It shows everything from a rounded croup to a tail coming straight off the topline. Which is correct?
There are examples of dogs with angle in the rear and a straight shoulder. Examples of dogs with no rear angulation and shoulders set to far forward.........."

Thank you for your critique.
This one goes on much longer but you can see the type of responses I have been getting.

And my favorite comment is:
".....This club is taking this breed by way of the German Shepard. By making it a head breed the temperament, structure and movement will soon be ruined......"

All right everyone,
I sent the breed education information to 4 different working breed committee's to review like you asked me to.
Basically they all think it's the biggest joke they have ever seen. The breed education for the breed is all over the place. There is no consistency in any of the photographs, the grammar and spelling is awful and since when is this going to be a head breed? The drawings are off scale and come are very noticeably crooked. If you are going to take 10 pages to describe the head then you should take 10 pages for structure and 10 pages for movement, they are far more important than the head.
Basically they all said it was a bad job and would be of no use to the judges in learning and judging the breed.
A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME.

"I'm so glad when we go AKC there weill be people who know how to breed and do it the right way"
"Thanks for the poll. I agree with everything everybody said and I know who the breeder is that had the heart trouble. They shouldn't be breeding and selling dogs. I can't wait to go AKC and get away from these idiots."
"Great Poll Kathi. All of us breeders who have been breeding and testing for years try to teach exactly that. TEST, PLAN YOUR LITTER, DON'T PLAN ON MAKING ANY MONEY IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, AND NEVER EVER GET INVOLVED WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE PUPPY MILLS. They shouldn't be allowed to belong to clubs or show their dogs."
"Thanks for the poll. Gives you something to think about."
"Who would ever breed a bitch or dog underage or and K-9 with a history of health issues or that hasn't been tested? That's just disgusting"
"WTF are people breeding for if it isn't for money?"
"Healthy dogs are very important, that's why our club puts restrictions in the code of ethics."

Thank you everyone for all of your replies. There were so many I wish I could put them all up.
Bottom line is breed like you care, care about what you breed, care about your dogs, care about the people you sell them to and be sure you can look every person in the eye because at the end of the day you did the best you could and didn't cut any corners or try to rip anyone off.

This was purely an informal poll. Breeders of 6 different AKC breeds replied. Those breeds included Dobermans, Boxers, GSD's, Corsi, Pomeranian's and French Bull Dogs.
Here are the results:
Reputable breeders return money to buyers if there is a health issue with the puppy then if this is a returning issue of more than one puppy spay the bitch, test their lines and take appropriate measures to insure this does not happen again.
Reputable breeders have 1 - 3 litters per year and breed to improve the breed not to sell puppies and make money.
Reputable breeders of large breeds only allow their bitches to have 3 litters and smaller breeds allow their bitches to have 3-4 litters.
The average age of a bitch when producing her first litter is 2-3 years old and done after she has her health testing and hips.
The average age of a male when producing his first litter is 2 years old and done after he has his health testing and hips.
And finally if you have more than 6 litters a year consistently you are considered a "PUPPY MILL" by reputable AKC breeders.

Results on number of litters for breeders.
This one must have hit a sore spot.
I had 77 responses.
A. 0
B. 0
C. 31
D. 46
I guess people do recognize what it takes to be considered a puppy mill.
Good For You

POLL
Do you consider a breeder a "puppy mill" if they consistantly year after year produce:
A. 1-3 litters
B. 3-5 litters
C. 6+ litters
D 10+ litters

how old should your male be. We had 45 replies
Results
A. 0
B. 1
C. 4
D. 40

Poll
How old do you feel your male should be before he is used as a stud.
A. 9-12 months
B. 12-17 months
C. 18+ months
D 2+ years

I had 29 replies to breeding age of a bitch
A. 0
B. 3
C. 10
D. 16

Poll
How old do you feel a bitch should be when being bred for the first time.
A. 12 months to 17 months
B. 18 months
C. 2
D. 3

This one was very interesting. Numbers of litters for a bitch
I had 32 replies
A. 25
B. 6 It was very interesting that these 6 had small breed dogs
C. 0
D. 1 I also found it interesting that this was a Corso breeder.

Poll
How many litters do you allow a bitch to have in a lifetime?
A 0-3
B 4
C 5
D 6

Part 2
How old is a bitch when you breed her for the first time?

Results of yesterdays poll.
We had 28 responses to this question.
A 28
B 0
C 0
D 0

All 28 answered they breed to improve the breed.
We also got an "Are you kidding, you don't make money on litters if they are bred right, you do all your testing, health, care and vet checks. Only the ones out to make money actually do because they cut corners and don't do anything to help the puppies."

On another note. If you have 3 generations of heart issues it's not just an oopsy. It's a definite genetic fault within your bloodlines. You you need to take responsibility for your actions.

Today's POLL
How many litters do you plan on having this year?
A. 1-3
B. 4-6
C. 7-10
D. 10 +

Part two
How many of those litters are you breeding to improve the breed and how many litters are to make money.

Thanks for the replies. Here is what I ended up with.
I had 44 emails and 4 phone calls from breeders of 6 different breeds.

A - 0 votes
B - 0 votes
C - 0 votes
D - 48 votes

I also got
33 - OMG are you kidding me's.
6 - If that were to happen in my kennel I would either get out of breeding, get out of my breed or start new bloodlines.

I am so glad to see the breeders are standing up for what their kennel stands for, are breeding healthy dogs that are being tested and are standing behind their puppy owners.
It's those few and far between that make a bad name for everyone who cares for the "Betterment of a Breed." After all that is what you are breeding for in the first place, that's what every breeds code of ethics requires.
Breeding for the almighty $$$$$$$$ and having 10 + litters a year is what the BYB's are about.
Thank heavens every breed knows who those people are within their breed and can spot those breeders in other breeds from a mile away.

POLL

OK everyone, I have gotten so many calls on this one I am going to take a poll. Email me your answer simply by replying A,B, C or D.
Here is the scenario.
I have sold a show quality puppy to to a new show home. This puppy gets there and the owners discover it has a heart murmur when taken to the vet for examination.
Do I:
A. tell them not to take the puppy to a cardiologist because it is a waste of time and money.
B. tell them to wait and see how it does.
C. tell them the puppy can still be bred and shown.
D. immediately take the puppy back, return the owners money, test the puppy and have the bitch spayed since this is an inherited disease.
I will let you know what everyone voted tonight at about 9 or so.

Majors in dobermans this weekend in Longmont.
Shauna is taking Karigan for me since I am at home on puppy watch.
Good luck Tahiti, Cha-Cha, Kandy and Karigan, my 4 girls I am so proud of.

It's been a sad weekend. Jeff's father passed away and it's been heavy on his heart.
My condolences go out to the family for the loss of thier loved one.
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Wisdom's Eye Kandy AKA Little Miss Kandy Girl won a WB/BOW and 2 reserves at the 4 days of shows this memorial weekend. She is going to be a beautiful girl and I can't wait to see how she turns out when she is grown.
Congratulations Tim and Connie. Keep up the good work.